--- type: Tip title: Haggle with a reference price description: Never negotiate blind — anchor on a ride app's fare, a comparable journey, or simply by asking for the local price, then hold to it. tags: [money, haggling, transport, negotiation] timestamp: 2026-08-06T12:00:00Z --- # Haggle with a reference price Harry doesn't haggle blind. Where a ride-hailing app operates, he checks its price for the same journey first and negotiates against that number, walking away from drivers who won't come close. He also allows for the fact that drivers have an effective minimum on short trips, so a modest premium over the app price may simply be the real cost — the reference tells you when you're being quoted three times the rate rather than a fair one. ## How Harry applies it Going to Chandni Chowk in [Old Delhi](/places/old-delhi.md), the first quote was 400 rupees. Harry checked Uber at around 70–80 for the same trip and set his own ceiling at 100. Successive drivers asked 200, then 500; he worked through five of them before settling at 130. He notes he could have taken the air-conditioned Uber and paid less, but the tuk-tuk is an experience in itself — an assault on every sense — which is the reason to bother. Where no app exists, the reference is whatever comparable he can find. Pricing a boat on [Boracay](/places/boracay.md) against a 7,000-peso opening quote, he asked what the same trip cost by car — about 35 minutes' drive — to work out what he was actually paying for, discovered the quote covered three hours with island stops and snorkelling, countered at 5,000 and settled at 4,000 for a shorter run. He also draws a lesson about giving away your own reference: he had mentioned he was staying at the island's most expensive hotel, and says that got him that hotel's price rather than a better one. **Ask for the local price.** The simplest reference is the one the seller already has. In [Quiapo](/places/quiapo.md) a phone repair was quoted at 1,500 for labour; Harry asked for the local price and got 1,300 without further argument. The same works in reverse when he's the one selling — pricing water in [Manila](/places/manila.md) he was undercharging at 20 pesos until a customer told him he could ask 50 in that district, and he switched immediately. Where you have no idea what a thing is worth, the person in front of you usually does. He also reads prices across contexts: a roadside massage at 500 against the 2,000 his hotel charged for the same length of treatment, or a second-hand iPad listed at 19,500 and bought at 13,500. **When you have no reference, your budget is one.** Buying a second-hand phone in [Karachi](/places/karachi.md) he knew nothing about the local market for used iPhones, so he named a number — $100 — against a 40,000-rupee opening quote of roughly $170, repeated it, and walked out of the shop when it was refused. He was called back before he reached the stairs and got it at $100. The related habit is refusing the premise: told in a watch showroom that the price was fixed, his answer was that nothing in Pakistan is fixed price, and the price moved. **And when he has the reference and doesn't use it.** The rule has an off switch, and the earliest Pakistan videos are where it shows. Dinner in [Karachi](/places/karachi.md) came to 2,100 rupees against a figure of 1,160 he had already seen; he says on camera that they were given the tourist price, that he is getting used to it, and that sometimes it isn't worth arguing over. The day before, he paid 3,000 for a shalwar kameez opened at 5,500 and told the camera he had gone over the odds, that the seller was better at this than he was, and that he wanted him to have the sale. So the page describes a method he believes in rather than one he always runs. What separates the times he pushes from the times he doesn't is the size of the gap: a phone at $170 against $100 gets a walkout, four dollars over on dinner gets a shrug. ## Demonstrated in - [Crazy $10 Challenge in Delhi, India 🇮🇳](/videos/abnAQ26UKlY.md) - [I Promise You it's More Fun in the Philippines🇵🇭](/videos/fGZtk1PqSrE.md) - [I Survived 24 Hours in the Philippines with No Money 🇵🇭](/videos/lOF4vVxBQ-s.md) - [$2000 Reward for Hardworking Filipinos 🇵🇭](/videos/mDYy6NcL5wA.md) - [$140 ULTIMATE FAKE MARKET SPREE (Karachi, Pakistan) 🇵🇰](/videos/Ui6Tmjy3vn0.md) — a stated budget as the anchor, and a walkout that worked. - [Foreigner Meets Crazy Pakistani Locals🇵🇰](/videos/VQYg7oNy5r0.md) — the off switch: a tourist price recognised, named and paid without an argument. - [Westener In Pakistans Biggest Market 🇵🇰](/videos/WHp_Je85NAU.md) — the negotiation he loses, and says he lost. - [Flying to India for the Cricket World Cup Final 🇮🇳](/videos/EQaykEs5goo.md) — the app price as the check on a day when everything was inflated: a [Ahmedabad](/places/ahmedabad.md) tuk-tuk asked 900, the app said 300, he paid 400 and called it fair. - [Cycling Around Nepal With My Dad!🇳🇵](/videos/LvBqliHXrzk.md) — the cleanest use of the technique on the page: a wool jacket opened at 6,000 and dropped to 4,300 the moment Harry mentioned another shop had quoted 3,000. - [Nepalese Girl Shows Me Kathmandu🇳🇵](/videos/CtB_10bPImM.md) — a [Kathmandu](/places/kathmandu.md) taxi opened at 700 and went for 400 against the ride app's figure, with his local companion's verdict that he could still have done better. - [I Spent $600 in Jakarta's Fake Market 🇮🇩](/videos/3qihOYEn4r0.md) — buying aftershave in a [Jakarta](/places/jakarta.md) counterfeit mall, he looks the genuine article's price up on his phone mid-negotiation — about £110, roughly 1.7 million rupiah — and argues from that figure, settling at 1,750,000. The video also shows the limit of the reference: on the fake clothing he has no number to anchor to, says so on camera, and admits he has no idea whether he did well. - [I Ignored the Media and Visited China 🇨🇳](/videos/K3X46veg64I.md) — the reverse case, where the seller supplies a fake reference. A [Shanghai](/places/shanghai.md) fake-market trader opens by insisting 250 is everyone else's price and 180 is his, then raises it back to 250 when pushed. Harry names the move out loud and walks toward the door; it went for 100. - [Inside Yemen: A Country in Freefall 🇾🇪](/videos/Sy2AGeH8u3c.md) — khat in [Wadi Doan](/places/wadi-doan.md), where the reference price is a supply-chain fact rather than a previous purchase. The leaf is grown in Houthi-held North Yemen, so it is dearer in the south, and there are good and bad grades sold side by side. Harry establishes both before opening, and still calls the negotiation tough. - [Rawdogging the Scam Capital of the World 🇪🇬](/videos/eRS4cYl0e9s.md) — the cleanest reference price in the bundle, and he is handed it by a seller: a camel or horse at [Giza](/places/giza.md) is fixed by the government at 500 Egyptian pounds an hour, so 500 is the ceiling whoever asks. He runs the scarf haggle the same way, saying out loud what he thinks it cost and what he thinks the seller would take. - [I Visited the World's Newest Country (Coming Soon: Bougainville)](/videos/YrniA84e1ik.md) — **the entry where the reference price is irrelevant.** Harry arrives at the Yamamoto crash site in [Bougainville](/places/bougainville.md) knowing roughly what a day's vehicle hire costs, having already talked 1,000 kina down to 600 that morning. It buys him nothing: the people asking 350 kina a head own the land, their houses block the only track, they are carrying machetes — he says so on camera — and there is no second seller to walk to. He tries the argument that it is public property, realises he has no idea who owns anything here, and pays the opening price in full. The instructive half is that **they** have the reference and he doesn't: the only visitors who come are Japanese, on pilgrimage to the wreck, and the number is set by what those visitors pay. Where the counterparty controls access, this page's technique has nothing to work on. - [Underground Moroccan Massage Hits the Spot 🇲🇦](/videos/mPixwjP8LgQ.md) — **the counter-example, and the most instructive entry on this page.** Harry walks into the [Casablanca](/places/casablanca.md) medina on his first day in the country without knowing the exchange rate, says so on camera mid-haggle, and has no reference price for anything. He loses both negotiations: a jacket talked down from 800 to 200 with no idea whether 200 is good, and a football shirt where the walk-away — which he confirms works — moves an asking price of 200 by exactly ten. His own verdict is that Moroccans are very good at this and he'd been out of the game too long. The real cause is on this page's own terms: no reference price, no leverage.